Can You Use Steel Wool on Stainless Steel
| #1 Posted : 4/14/2012 9:24:11 AM |
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Since I've joined the Nexus, I've bumped into a lot of topics that described using a steel wool mesh equally unsafe and a large no-no. I've posted this in another thread, simply since that was virtually something else, no one replied, and it'southward best to have this in a separate discussion. Permit's research & hash out this and run across how much is truth and how much is myth.
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Steel wool is like shooting fish in a barrel to burn and yous do non want to inhale that do you ?
In an attempt to shed some calorie-free over this matter one time and for all (for me, at least), I am going to challenge that affirmation. Now, from my personal experience, steel wool is actually steel fibers, assembled in a mode in which it resembles wool. Some of those are mesh-looking or curly-looking. This is what I'g referring to in the next lines. Sponge lined with wool-looking (plastic) fibers don't qualify. Those are indeed nasty and will fire if you light them upward.
Now, with that definition in mind, let'southward ask ourselves the following question: what'due south the temperature at which steel burns? That is to say BURN, non melt. Well, from what I've read over the internet, combined with my intuition (steel beingness one of the hardest metals on earth), it results that steel burns - that is to say, it ignites & supports burning without the help of a flame - at over grand degrees celsius (I've seen answers ranging from 1260C to 1450C; either fashion, it'southward definitely over 1000). My line of thinking, and my personal experience with steel wool tells me you're non going to get over 200 C when y'all insert that steel wool inside a smoking device.
Now, with the toxic fumes it's another business. What yous probably meant was "don't smoke from steel wool JUST bought from the supermarket". Common sense tells me that the oily stuff that is on the commercial steel wool can be get rid of. Get that steel wool in an open flame - over a kitchen stove flame is but fine, keep it in that location until it gets red and then some more (it won't grab burn down if information technology's the kind of steel wool I described in the opening line), and let everything burn off of it. That means go along it in the burn down until absolutely no smoke (and no funny smells) emerge. Exercise this repeatedly, alternate sides of the steel wool mesh, to make sure all the nasty stuff is gone.
For me the above "sterilization" procedure is more than enough and I truly believe that steel wool prepared that style is as good as copper mesh. Not that you lot shouldn't do the aforementioned for your copper mesh besides. Just maxim.
No one should take the above explanation every bit the absolute truth, and definitely don't have it personally. Information technology's only based on my personal cognition and experience. I just desire to clear up this issue, because for some of us copper meshes aren't so readily available. Plus, information technology's always dainty to accept a backup solution.
Attached is a picture of what I consider to be condom steel wool - rendered safe later on using the procedure described above, run across the comment about the protective oils/coating.
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| #ii Posted : 4/fourteen/2012 9:54:03 AM |
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I've used steel wool that ignited before, it was super fine and intended for sanding.
The steel wool that is used as pot scrubbers is thicker and doesn't ignite or release whatsoever visible vapor or smoke when a 1300 degree celcius butane flame heats. I use information technology regularly and have no concerns nearly its safety.
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| #3 Posted : 4/fourteen/2012 ten:09:05 AM |
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Information technology is not in my opinion wool on the picture y'all posted information technology is mesh. If information technology is wool as y'all claim then I have been using different blazon of wool and so y'all. I have never come across this kind of wool.
I was talking about wool that is very easy to fire not mesh. Besides it is important to mention in what device yous use it. For instance in the machine you will nearly definitely fire wool if yous touch information technology with flame from torch lighter. I have washed this many times. I experimented with wool and its very like shooting fish in a barrel to burn information technology. It volition not cook simply you volition cease upward with some sort of ash some of which would terminate upward in your lungs if smoked. (that happened to me, not nice)
On the other manus I have never tried this in my GVG and then tin not annotate on that. I guess non all members here take GVG at dwelling and then mostly I would not recommend to everyone to use steel wool. Information technology is much amend to utilize steel mesh or copper is even better.
I have been using copper mesh from task male child for a year and I have never needed to supervene upon it for another one. When I was using the car with steel wool I had to replace it very often considering it was burned after few uses. But this applies to the machine.
I am 100% certain if I used copper mesh in motorcar it would last for ever. Peradventure some members can confirm this ?
So on first ii pictures is what I call wool and the rest is copper and steel mesh. Equally you can see on moving-picture show 5 it is a copper mesh that looks like the wool on your picture. That is why I said IMO it is mesh on your picture not wool.
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| #4 Posted : 4/14/2012 10:59:25 AM |
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Definitely no doubt that the fine steel wool is bad, ignites very very hands.
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| #5 Posted : 4/14/2012 eleven:48:39 AM |
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IME, which includes having used both medium weight steel wool and Choreboy copper in the GVG, is that both work very well.The steel has a slight metallic gustation not constitute with the copper but I prefer copper these days.The light weight steel wool is non ideal, IMO, every bit this stuff can combust.Another point to consider is what is existence vaporised; both work great for DMT which tends to become from liquid to vapor apace, but other substances which hang around as a liquid for longer tend, IME, to work better with compressed medium weight steel wool every bit this is much less probable to event in dripping than the copper mesh- in this situation, the compressed copper mesh needs a more than forceful inhalation than the medium weight steel wool.
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| #6 Posted : four/xiv/2012 11:57:45 AM |
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Become it on ebay if you can't become it locally. Steel mesh like in your pic gave me a metallic taste
| #seven Posted : iv/14/2012 11:59:24 AM |
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IME, which includes having used both medium weight steel wool and Choreboy copper in the GVG, is that both work very well.The steel has a slight metallic gustation non found with the copper but I prefer copper these days.The calorie-free weight steel wool is non platonic, IMO, as this stuff tin can combust.Another point to consider is what is being vaporised; both piece of work great for DMT which tends to go from liquid to vapor quickly, only other substances which hang effectually as a liquid for longer tend, IME, to work better with compressed medium weight steel wool every bit this is much less probable to result in dripping than the copper mesh- in this situation, the compressed copper mesh needs a more forceful inhalation than the medium weight steel wool.
Just the fact that you have that metallic gustation proves that some particles of steel gets to your lungs. Thats why I prefer copper before steel.
Also I think spice will cook through steel wool more easily than through mesh considering of the shape. Wool is round but mesh is flat and then more surface for spice to hold on.
I have never had problem with inhalation through mesh. Maybe you merely put too much of it in your GVG. Y'all practise not demand mesh more than than 3mm high.
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| #viii Posted : 4/fourteen/2012 12:08:45 PM |
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smokerx wrote:
corpus callosum wrote:
IME, which includes having used both medium weight steel wool and Choreboy copper in the GVG, is that both piece of work very well.The steel has a slight metal taste not institute with the copper only I prefer copper these days.The calorie-free weight steel wool is not ideal, IMO, as this stuff can combust.Another indicate to consider is what is beingness vaporised; both work peachy for DMT which tends to go from liquid to vapor quickly, but other substances which hang around as a liquid for longer tend, IME, to work ameliorate with compressed medium weight steel wool as this is much less probable to consequence in dripping than the copper mesh- in this situation, the compressed copper mesh needs a more forceful inhalation than the medium weight steel wool.
Only the fact that you take that metal taste proves that some particles of steel gets to your lungs. Thats why I adopt copper before steel.
Too I think spice will melt through steel wool more than hands than through mesh because of the shape. Wool is round but mesh is flat and then more surface for spice to hold on.
I have never had problem with inhalation through mesh. Maybe you just put besides much of information technology in your GVG. You lot do not need mesh more than than 3mm loftier.
I largely hold with you smokerx; copper is the bees-knees for DMT and 2-4mm thickness is sufficient; for some of the less positive vaporized substances, Ive found that the steel wool approach tends to work ameliorate. 
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| #9 Posted : 4/14/2012 1:45:15 PM |
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smokerx wrote:
Just the fact that you have that metallic taste proves that some particles of steel gets to your lungs. Thats why I prefer copper before steel.
I adopt copper as well but the fact that you have a metal taste simply proves that some particles of steele got to the tastebuds.
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| #10 Posted : 4/14/2012 1:59:49 PM |
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...Now, with that definition in listen, let's ask ourselves the following question: what'southward the temperature at which steel burns? That is to say Burn, not melt. Well, from what I've read over the internet, combined with my intuition (steel being one of the hardest metals on globe), it results that steel burns - that is to say, information technology ignites & supports called-for without the assistance of a flame - at over k degrees celsius (I've seen answers ranging from 1260C to 1450C; either way, it'southward definitely over 1000). My line of thinking, and my personal experience with steel wool tells me you're not going to become over 200 C when you insert that steel wool inside a smoking device...
The temperature at which metals chemically react with other substances has nothing to do with the melting point of the metal.
For example, solid metallic potassium will react violently with h2o at room temperature, producing intense heat in the process.
Fine fibers of iron, when exposed to flame in the presence of oxygen, will chemically react to produce iron oxide. The reaction is exothermic, and so once it starts, enough heat volition be generated to sustain the reaction.
Fe is more chemically reactive with oxygen than copper. Fine steel wool has much more area than coarse steel wool, so information technology is exposed to much more oxygen and much more likely to react.
The flameless heat produced in a GVG is probably insufficient to initiate an exothermic reaction between iron and oxygen, just since other less reactive metals and alloys are readily available (copper, contumely, stainless steel), I accept no intention of ever using iron in my GVG.
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| #11 Posted : 4/14/2012 5:45:09 PM |
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I used the small steel "Volcano" oil pads, they work great. I did buy a copper scrubber that looked just like a choreboy at Safeway only information technology was their noname brand and when I tested it's estrus handling capabillities the stuff pretty much melted then turned to a white/ grey coulor with a consitancy of ash. The steel remains in the gvg and the copper is now existence used as a pot scrubber.
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| #12 Posted : iv/fourteen/2012 viii:35:17 PM |
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Wow, thanks guys for the clarifications and the pictures. I would definitely not smoke out of that fibery kinda steel wool and yeah, I can see how it tin catch burn. Never thought THAT is steel wool though, never seen anything like that (Europe). So yeah, that looks pretty much unsafe to smoke from. Now we take a pictorial for what is condom to smoke from and what is not. Cool.
The mesh (correction in order, give thanks you smokerx, what I posted is advertised equally steel wool here, so you lot understand my defoliation) that I've posted works splendid in both the automobile and the VG, those I tested. I also used a dubious oval lightbulb at some point with this mesh, but the results are non worth taking into consideration. I can't see why information technology won't work with a GVG just as well. Nowadays I only travel with my VG, only even with the machine, the vapor never had any specific taste.
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| #thirteen Posted : 4/fourteen/2012 8:43:35 PM |
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I too use the volcano stainless steel pads, they are anyways supposed to be used for vaporization and so it should be perfectly condom. They are quite cheap and can be ordered off the cyberspace. Ive heard some people take some issues only it always worked for me perfectly.
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